Job Killing Review – The Truth

I write this review as former student of JK. So, what I write on this IBuyIReview site, don’t take as your facts, but as my own facts.

Ultimately, my goal with this Job Killing review is to help you make a decision either way, share the facts and my opinions on the course based on my experience.

I am currently at $11,000/month part time, but you might be surprised to learn that it’s not with JK, though it can certainly make that much money.

The JK course, as with many, has its upsides & downsides, too – like did you know that there are rumors the JK course is a whopping 15 grand to purchase? (Again, not 100% sure, but it might be more of a DFY situation)

Of course, Dan has payment plans, but good luck on that one. Most students tend to struggle with their JK “tuition”, when and if the success takes longer than expected. 

Table of Contents

Course Title :Job Killing
Rank :#5 out of 100
Length :About 30 hours
Content :It’s a decent program if you can get it for a lower price, but there are better programs out there for similar business models
Rating : 2.5 out of 5
Price :*$7,000-$15,000 before payment plan interest

A Note on Fake Course Reviews: Is It Illegal to Sell Leads to Local Businesses?

This question has been raised numerous times over the last 6 years. Since JK used to get a ton of praise around the internet community, as well as all over the country, it is common to have internet trolls trying to capture their traffic to siphon them off to another opportunity. (although this has softened since I haven’t seen a JK ad in years)

Naturally, a troll raised his head and tried to create doubt in the JK process.

So, let’s put to rest exactly what this troll is saying, just in case you may have read it somewhere.

"JK is a scam because it is illegal to sell leads without a license."
Anonymous Internet Reviewer

So lets cut to the chase without all the garbage legal talk.

Do you honestly believe that the following sites have Licenses in EVERY STATE and EVERY type of industry?

  1. Home Advisor
  2. Yellow Pages
  3. The Blue Book
  4. Patch
  5. Angie’s List

I can go on and on about how many different HUGE referral sites are out there. (1) The quick answer is, you do not have to have a license to sell leads. It is that simple. If you have a “Terms of Service” in your site, which is taught in JK, then within that Terms of Service, you say you are selling leads to a Company. It is simple.

All I ask is you please disregard the Internet Trolls complaints. Having a bad experience sprinkled in here and there is normal, but trolls go deeper than just reviewing a product. They hit you personally, and for that, you shouldn’t pay any attention to drama magnets like that. Normally, that’s when I go look at the BBB ratings.

Still, it can be difficult to connect with new clients, especially as so much new business for contractors seems to rely on word-of-mouth.
Allan Smith

The Story of My Being a Member of the JK Lead Gen Program:

I used to be a member of the Job Killers, and made money with their process, and even though I parted ways, I still receive money from sites I did over 2 years ago all because of being a job killer. 

(2021 Edit. I no longer run any lead generation properties)

During my stint with these guys, my “financial” future was looking bright as hell.

I was making a few thousand a month with client retainers plus my $120,000/year job.

All in all, well over $150K in total revenue in one year… for 2014.

One might be happy with those results, but it became about client expectations, and the amount of time SEO took to kick in on my lead gen properties.

Every new client, turned into an anxiety attack. 

I feared it could take 6 months to generate leads and rank, which doesn’t sit well with paying clients.

I hated that feeling, when making money should have made me feel at ease with life.

It was quit the opposite. More on this later.

How Much Does Job Killing Cost?

Job Killing costs $7-000 – $15,000, give or take a few dollars, tax, and any interest incurred by paying it off long-term. 

This is a shocking amount of money, and not what I paid. I’d bet you, that anyone looking to make money online needs money, which puts them into a credit card option.

What they don’t tell you is that is JUST the cost of the program, and there will be other tools and assets to buy like Done For You sites, services, and branded links.

I have a problem with this – their “influence links” are just PBN links, but if you were just starting out in SEO – like the program is most geared towards – then you’re not likely to know that you can get those links elsewhere for a lower cost.

It took me a little while to figure that one out, and it meant that I had to do my own research outside of Dan and his videos to learn enough and eventually connect the dots.

Don’t get me wrong. The business model works, it’s just very, very expensive, time consuming, and has its own host of problems, which I’ll get into in a minute.

The Day of the Paradigm Shift - A Job Killing Review

Until you’ve had to advertise your own lead gens, the process looks straight forward and easy to jump on. In the videos, Dan talks about pumping them out and start collecting a paycheck like it’s nobody’s business.

“Incremental gains, baby.”

What they don’t tell you is that the turnover rate for clients accepting leads is crazy high – and that’s assuming you’ve picked a niche that actually works.

Let me tell you a quick story about a landscaping business lead gen I started. I chose a mid-sized town in Texas where there were plenty of landscapers, but the 3-pack in the Maps listings were empty. No one knew how to nudge their website in there, and only the one big player had a website up.

That’s what they teach you is low hanging fruit, competition wise.

There was plenty of search volume, so I thought I was getting into a great niche. Landscaping could be a real big-ticket item I could sell leads in.

I did everything I was supposed to. I got the website up, I did my quote form, rented a phone number, got the content all set up…

A few hundred dollars later, I bought all of the services I needed to have the site ranked up.

A few weeks later, I started getting leads in, and I didn’t have anyone yet, so I switched the numbers over.

One by one, I’d call each client after they got a few leads and asked them if they were interested in continuing these calls, and you know what each one said to me without fail?

No.

Every one of these leads told me they weren’t interested and asked me to stop sending them leads.

This wasn’t my first rodeo – at this point, I had been following the JK process for about two years. My tuition was just about paid off (out of pocket, mind you) and I was sure it was going to be a success this time.

The real pain point? You’re doing literally everything up front.

It hurt, too. I wasn’t exactly floating in cash. I was trying to bootstrap my way to victory, because I wanted to start a family someday and have a savings account.

I spent hundreds of dollars creating the website and ranking it up, then wasted my money on a phone number and virtual mailbox over several months to set it up, just to have every single client reject me.

Hours of my personal time, stress, and frustration went into this website. This was the one that needed to win.

Living the JK life had also led me to hiring a few virtual assistants, and I knew that it wasn’t just my finances on the line if this site made it, but it was the effort, time, and financial stability of my freelancers, too. They were full-time working on site after site while I tried to make it work.

It might seem crazy to you that these clients would reject free business, right?

It was insane to me, too, especially considering that lead gen is such a crucial method in attracting new customers in modern marketing. (2)

58% [of businesses] indicated that lead generation is a key challenge business leaders face. Over 40% describe their business’ current sales and marketing efforts as “outdated,” with 59% of businesses relying on spreadsheets to track how they are marketing to leads
Kimberly Whitler

Then I started thinking about it, and I actually called some of them back up and asked why they weren’t interested. 

I told them that the method had worked in other industries, and it didn’t make sense as to why they wouldn’t want to at least try me out.

You know what I heard?

“We make an honest living. Anything outside of referrals we are uncomfortable with”
“It’s too much like a scam, I can’t risk my business like that.”
“We don’t need any more customers.”
“We can’t do anything with the services you’re advertising. There’s no guarantee that these leads are qualified for me."

Clients thought that by following this business model, I was trying to scam them (or their customers.)

Eventually, in bigger cities with different niches, these sites worked, but that’s only because there was enough competition to make it worth it. These businesses would take every competitive advantage they could get.

But you know what?

That goes against the JK model.

They tell you to seek out the low hanging fruits in the industries. The easy wins.

Clients in easy win industries don’t need the help, they’re already getting enough business.

It’s the clients in the competitive industries that need the extra edge, and that’s going to cost you a lot more money.

I invested that money because I had to make sure it worked in some way, but the reality is that it takes MONTHS for any good website to reliably rank, and you’re going to sink a few thousand dollars into each site you make to really move it to where it needs to be.

Beyond that, you’re going to need a lot more knowledge about SEO to make that kind of site rank.

The turnover rate of clients is a killer, too, and not in a good way.

Clients ghost you all the time. They’ll stop paying you out of nowhere, or ask you to turn off leads because they’ve reached max capacity.

There was a carpet cleaning site I owned once where the client quit after 1 morning of taking leads because they didn’t like the idea of the leads coming from a site they can’t control.

So many clients will agree to take leads, but when it comes to paying your monthly fee, they never show up.

That’s a big hit to the ego, thinking you finally made it when you just hit another wall in the line.

Life After Job Killing

What could I do?

I was tired of building all of these sites and sinking cash into them just to have 9 out of 10 flop.

I might have been making money, but I was putting most of it back into the sites I was making just to see a failure rate that was skyrocketing. I didn’t want to go back to affiliate sites, amazon listings, ecom or anything like that.

Any time you see Dan boasting about his top student’s wins, remember that Dan is talking about gross revenue, not net profits. (which is very normal with testimonials)

Sure, I was working for myself at this point and running a business, but I still couldn’t afford a modest house or enjoy any passive returns.

I was struggling to pay a surprise repair bill for my water heater on top of rent.

I honestly believed it was time to move on, but I wasn’t sure where to go.

It was almost a year later when I was idly looking online for other options when I found something that really struck out to me.

This program used a lot of the skillset I had gathered in my time ranking up these sites, but instead of SEO, it focused on something much more sustainable.

It was a similar business model to JK, but instead of spending all the cash up-front so the leads are generated ahead of time, I’d use the skills I learned on ads.

Of course.

Duh!

Ads targeted to buyers who actively had a credit card in their hand, not someone looking to learn more about how to mow their own lawn.

Ads gave you so much more control over selecting qualified leads, you just had to tweak it.

I was sold.

I purchased this program – called Local Marketing Vault, or LMV for short – and gave it a shot.

(I told my wife that I was giving up entrepreneurship if this didn’t make it.)

Now, it was a learning curve still, to switch from SEO to Ads, but the way the videos were presented, it was set up so that anyone could learn even without a previous background in digital marketing, which is exactly what I was looking for.

They even have trainings on the foundations of business, setting up an LLC, starting a FB page, done for you Agency website. Even though I already had my LLC setup, the foundation training I could see as something I wish I had when I started JK. (When starting, you don’t need an LLC, but consult your Accountant)

I loved the friends that I had made in JK, but there was too much risk involved with the business model, and I didn’t enjoy learning that I had been buying an overpriced PBN all this time, because I didn’t know what else it could be called outside of “influence links.” I didn’t enjoy the fact that their “trust the process” motto was to follow outdated advice and keep trying and spending cash until you found something that worked.

I lost a lot in the JK training, but I have to say I gained good knowledge about the Local Marketing Business.

When I got on the phone with the local marketing vault, I signed on immediately. For some reason, I wasn’t as hesitant as I was with JK, because the main issue I was having they solved.

It was worth every penny, not to mention it’s a third of the cost. At least it was when I joined, and I have seen other blogs give price tags of $6K-$7K, but I have asked them if their price was raised, and both James & Jason said No.

There’s no additional “have to buy” up-sells or obfuscation that happens in the backend, and the owners, James and Jason, are so kindhearted and honest. If they do promotions, it is always geared toward new ways to land clients. Their training consists of 8 different ways, but they found that a lot of people start looking for new ways, and instead of having their students get ripped of by internet marketers, they take their students who have landed BIG clients using an “out of box” strategy, and allow their students to purchase it at a huge discount.

(I have never had to buy anything outside of their Core Training, so it’s definitely NOT mandatory.)

You can tell they really care about their process, too. They do livestreams every week, consistently, and they’re super responsive to the members in the group (which, by the way, is over 6,000.)

But what is it?

Instead of pounding the pavement looking for some sort of sustainable salary, you close a client and send qualified leads directly to your funnel.

Instead of trying to masquerade as a real business, looking sketchy and untrustworthy, you’re just providing the funnel. That funnel is your landing page for the ads, and that sends users to your client, giving you a way to track each lead.

OF COURSE there was a better way to go about securing leads.

Makes me think back on all the walls I hit creating sites when I could have been doing this instead.

I also started making six figures with what this program taught me, and it took me a fraction of the time.

Better yet, the adspend was an additional cost to the client, so my revenue was a LOT closer to my net profit.

All I had to pay for were a few tools, which James and Jason are upfront about, and I have seen their NEW tool they are offering their students which helps save them money on tools. (saved me about $200 a month)

That is why they created it, so their students can run their business with the least amount of expenses. 

Best part. You don’t need ANY tools until you have a paying client.

Another huge bonus about the way they run their business. Low expenses, and no expenses needed until their students already have a paying client, which is quite the opposite with JK.

Below is a screenshot from right around the time I joined LMV. I show this, because it was only a few weeks before I started making money.

nextgen-electric-llc

I landed this client while playing poker back in May 2016 and I got to talking with an Electrician, who was sitting right next to me.

If you remember, I had a hard time getting clients when I was following the JK method.

What I had learned in LMV gave me MUCH MORE confidence to actually have a conversation with business owners. 

That knowledge allowed for personal interactions, when they fell into my lap. (3) For me, the LMV model is easy to explain to businesses without having to get a business to understand how algorithms work. (SEO)

Above all else, I like that the LMV program is willing to teach you everything from the ground up so you don’t have to guess along the way. (as mentioned above referring to their foundation training)

 

Lead generation is a real challenge for many small businesses.
Melinda Emerson

Now I have a house, a savings account, and living the life I want to live.

It started with this electrician – this was the first client I landed in LMV and just used one of the 37 done for you funnels they have for their students.

These are all tested, and outside of a possible tweak, these are good to go right from the start.

This is what sparked my renewed interest in working from home.

I didn’t have to do a 9-5 to pay for my passion.

I paid off my training in two months. That’s how easily I could acquire clients.

Not two years, like with JK.

No thousands of dollars sunk into a single site before it worked.

No frustrating calls and having to re-do sites, because a client won’t deal with you in a particular area.

What James and Jason teach in this program is valuable, helping businesses generate more business, all in a genuine way that doesn’t make anyone think you’re trying to scam them or screw them over.

Here is the last month of my YEAR ONE with LMV: (again, I show 2016 strictly so you know how fast this method worked for me)

PayPal Account 1 – $4,634.00

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Chase Account – $6,980.80

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PayPal Account 2 – $3,348.00

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References:

1. Allan Smith, Doctor, Lawyer, or Contractor? Try These Lead Gen Websites to Boost Your Bottom Line, https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doctor-lawyer-or-contractor-try-these-lead-gen-websites-to-boost-your-bottom-line_b_9184570
2. Kimberly Whitler, New Study Suggests Lead Generation is a Key Growth Challenge for Most Companies, https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimberlywhitler/2020/01/04/new-study-suggests-lead-generation-is-a-key-growth-challenge-for-most-companies/?sh=8b9d85c56049
3. Melinda Emerson, Finding New Ways to Generate Sales Leads, https://boss.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/18/finding-new-ways-to-generate-sales-leads/