Job Killing Review – The Truth
I write this review as former student of JK. So, what I write on this IBuyIReview site, don't take as your facts, but as my own facts.
Ultimately, my goal with this Job Killing review is to help you make a decision either way, share the facts and my opinions on the course based on my experience.
I am currently at $11,000/month part time, but you might be surprised to learn that it's not with JK, though it can certainly make that much money.
The JK course, as with many, has its upsides & downsides, too - like did you know that there are rumors the JK course is a whopping 5 to 6 grand to purchase? (Again, not 100% sure, but it might be more of a DFY situation)
Of course, Dan has payment plans, but good luck on that one. Most students tend to struggle with their JK "tuition", when and if the success takes longer than expected.
Table of Contents
|Course Title :||Job Killing|
|Rank :||#5 out of 100|
|Length :||About 30 hours|
|Content :||It’s a decent program if you can get it for a lower price, but there are better programs out there for similar business models|
|Rating :||2.5 out of 5|
|Price :||*$5,000-$6,000 before payment plan interest|
A Note on Fake Course Reviews: Is It Illegal to Sell Leads to Local Businesses?
This question has been raised numerous times over the last 6 years. Since JK used to get a ton of praise around the internet community, as well as all over the country, it is common to have internet trolls trying to capture their traffic to siphon them off to another opportunity. (although this has softened since I haven't seen a JK ad in years)
Naturally, a troll raised his head and tried to create doubt in the JK process.
So, let's put to rest exactly what this troll is saying, just in case you may have read it somewhere.
So lets cut to the chase without all the garbage legal talk.
Do you honestly believe that the following sites have Licenses in EVERY STATE and EVERY type of industry?
I can go on and on about how many different HUGE referral sites are out there. (1) The quick answer is, you do not have to have a license to sell leads. It is that simple. If you have a “Terms of Service” in your site, which is taught in JK, then within that Terms of Service, you say you are selling leads to a Company. It is simple.
All I ask is you please disregard the Internet Trolls complaints. Having a bad experience sprinkled in here and there is normal, but trolls go deeper than just reviewing a product. They hit you personally, and for that, you shouldn’t pay any attention to drama magnets like that. Normally, that's when I go look at the BBB ratings.
The Story of My Being a Member of the JK Lead Gen Program:
I used to be a member of the Job Killers, and made money with their process, and even though I parted ways, I still receive money from sites I did over 2 years ago all because of being a job killer.
(2021 Edit. I no longer run any lead generation properties)
During my stint with these guys, my “financial” future was looking bright as hell.
I was making a few thousand a month with client retainers plus my $120,000/year job.
All in all, well over $150K in total revenue in one year… for 2014.
One might be happy with those results, but it became about client expectations, and the amount of time SEO took to kick in on my lead gen properties.
Every new client, turned into an anxiety attack.
I feared it could take 6 months to generate leads and rank, which doesn't sit well with paying clients.
I hated that feeling, when making money should have made me feel at ease with life.
It was quit the opposite. More on this later.
How Much Does Job Killing Cost?
Last I heard, Job Killing costs $5-000 - $6,000, give or take a few dollars, tax, and any interest incurred by paying it off long-term.
This is a shocking amount of money, and not what I paid. I’d bet you, that anyone looking to make money online needs money, which puts them into a credit card option.
What they don’t tell you is that is JUST the cost of the program, and there will be other tools and assets to buy like Done For You sites, services, and branded links.
I have a problem with this – their “influence links” are just PBN links, but if you were just starting out in SEO – like the program is most geared towards – then you’re not likely to know that you can get those links elsewhere for a lower cost.
It took me a little while to figure that one out, and it meant that I had to do my own research outside of Dan and his videos to learn enough and eventually connect the dots.
Don’t get me wrong. The business model works, it’s just very, very expensive, time consuming, and has its own host of problems, which I’ll get into in a minute.
The Day of the Paradigm Shift - A Job Killing Review
Until you’ve had to advertise your own lead gens, the process looks straight forward and easy to jump on. In the videos, Dan talks about pumping them out and start collecting a paycheck like it’s nobody’s business.
"Incremental gains, baby."
What they don’t tell you is that the turnover rate for clients accepting leads is crazy high – and that’s assuming you’ve picked a niche that actually works.
Let me tell you a quick story about a landscaping business lead gen I started. I chose a mid-sized town in Texas where there were plenty of landscapers, but the 3-pack in the Maps listings were empty. No one knew how to nudge their website in there, and only the one big player had a website up.
That’s what they teach you is low hanging fruit, competition wise.
There was plenty of search volume, so I thought I was getting into a great niche. Landscaping could be a real big-ticket item I could sell leads in.
I did everything I was supposed to. I got the website up, I did my quote form, rented a phone number, got the content all set up…
A few hundred dollars later, I bought all of the services I needed to have the site ranked up.
A few weeks later, I started getting leads in, and I didn’t have anyone yet, so I switched the numbers over.
One by one, I’d call each client after they got a few leads and asked them if they were interested in continuing these calls, and you know what each one said to me without fail?
Every one of these leads told me they weren’t interested and asked me to stop sending them leads.
This wasn’t my first rodeo – at this point, I had been following the JK process for about two years. My tuition was just about paid off (out of pocket, mind you) and I was sure it was going to be a success this time.
The real pain point? You’re doing literally everything up front.
It hurt, too. I wasn’t exactly floating in cash. I was trying to bootstrap my way to victory, because I wanted to start a family someday and have a savings account.
I spent hundreds of dollars creating the website and ranking it up, then wasted my money on a phone number and virtual mailbox over several months to set it up, just to have every single client reject me.
Hours of my personal time, stress, and frustration went into this website. This was the one that needed to win.
Living the JK life had also led me to hiring a few virtual assistants, and I knew that it wasn’t just my finances on the line if this site made it, but it was the effort, time, and financial stability of my freelancers, too. They were full-time working on site after site while I tried to make it work.
It might seem crazy to you that these clients would reject free business, right?
It was insane to me, too, especially considering that lead gen is such a crucial method in attracting new customers in modern marketing. (2)
Then I started thinking about it, and I actually called some of them back up and asked why they weren’t interested.
I told them that the method had worked in other industries, and it didn’t make sense as to why they wouldn’t want to at least try me out.
You know what I heard?
Clients thought that by following this business model, I was trying to scam them (or their customers.)
Eventually, in bigger cities with different niches, these sites worked, but that’s only because there was enough competition to make it worth it. These businesses would take every competitive advantage they could get.
But you know what?
That goes against the JK model.
They tell you to seek out the low hanging fruits in the industries. The easy wins.
Clients in easy win industries don’t need the help, they’re already getting enough business.
It’s the clients in the competitive industries that need the extra edge, and that’s going to cost you a lot more money.
I invested that money because I had to make sure it worked in some way, but the reality is that it takes MONTHS for any good website to reliably rank, and you’re going to sink a few thousand dollars into each site you make to really move it to where it needs to be.
Beyond that, you’re going to need a lot more knowledge about SEO to make that kind of site rank.
The turnover rate of clients is a killer, too, and not in a good way.
Clients ghost you all the time. They’ll stop paying you out of nowhere, or ask you to turn off leads because they’ve reached max capacity.
There was a carpet cleaning site I owned once where the client quit after 1 morning of taking leads because they didn’t like the idea of the leads coming from a site they can’t control.
So many clients will agree to take leads, but when it comes to paying your monthly fee, they never show up.
That’s a big hit to the ego, thinking you finally made it when you just hit another wall in the line.
Life After Job Killing
What could I do?
I was tired of building all of these sites and sinking cash into them just to have 9 out of 10 flop.
I might have been making money, but I was putting most of it back into the sites I was making just to see a failure rate that was skyrocketing. I didn't want to go back to affiliate sites, amazon listings, ecom or anything like that.
Any time you see Dan boasting about his top student’s wins, remember that Dan is talking about gross revenue, not net profits. (which is very normal with testimonials)
Sure, I was working for myself at this point and running a business, but I still couldn’t afford a modest house or enjoy any passive returns.
I was struggling to pay a surprise repair bill for my water heater on top of rent.
I honestly believed it was time to move on, but I wasn’t sure where to go.
It was almost a year later when I was idly looking online for other options when I found something that really struck out to me.
This program used a lot of the skillset I had gathered in my time ranking up these sites, but instead of SEO, it focused on something much more sustainable.
It was a similar business model to JK, but instead of spending all the cash up-front so the leads are generated ahead of time, I’d use the skills I learned on ads.
Ads targeted to buyers who actively had a credit card in their hand, not someone looking to learn more about how to mow their own lawn.
Ads gave you so much more control over selecting qualified leads, you just had to tweak it.
I was sold.
I purchased this program – called Local Marketing Vault, or LMV for short – and gave it a shot.
(I told my wife that I was giving up entrepreneurship if this didn’t make it.)
Now, it was a learning curve still, to switch from SEO to Ads, but the way the videos were presented, it was set up so that anyone could learn even without a previous background in digital marketing, which is exactly what I was looking for.
They even have trainings on the foundations of business, setting up an LLC, starting a FB page, done for you Agency website. Even though I already had my LLC setup, the foundation training I could see as something I wish I had when I started JK. (When starting, you don't need an LLC, but consult your Accountant)
I loved the friends that I had made in JK, but there was too much risk involved with the business model, and I didn’t enjoy learning that I had been buying an overpriced PBN all this time, because I didn’t know what else it could be called outside of “influence links.” I didn’t enjoy the fact that their “trust the process” motto was to follow outdated advice and keep trying and spending cash until you found something that worked.
I lost a lot in the JK training, but I have to say I gained good knowledge about the Local Marketing Business.
When I got on the phone with the local marketing vault, I signed on immediately. For some reason, I wasn't as hesitant as I was with JK, because the main issue I was having they solved.
It was worth every penny, not to mention it’s a third of the cost. At least it was when I joined, and I have seen other blogs give price tags of $6K-$7K, but I have asked them if their price was raised, and both James & Jason said No.
There’s no additional "have to buy" up-sells or obfuscation that happens in the backend, and the owners, James and Jason, are so kindhearted and honest. If they do promotions, it is always geared toward new ways to land clients. Their training consists of 8 different ways, but they found that a lot of people start looking for new ways, and instead of having their students get ripped of by internet marketers, they take their students who have landed BIG clients using an "out of box" strategy, and allow their students to purchase it at a huge discount.
(I have never had to buy anything outside of their Core Training, so it's definitely NOT mandatory.)
You can tell they really care about their process, too. They do livestreams every week, consistently, and they’re super responsive to the members in the group (which, by the way, is over 6,000.)
But what is it?
Instead of pounding the pavement looking for some sort of sustainable salary, you close a client and send qualified leads directly to your funnel.
Instead of trying to masquerade as a real business, looking sketchy and untrustworthy, you’re just providing the funnel. That funnel is your landing page for the ads, and that sends users to your client, giving you a way to track each lead.
OF COURSE there was a better way to go about securing leads.
Makes me think back on all the walls I hit creating sites when I could have been doing this instead.
I also started making six figures with what this program taught me, and it took me a fraction of the time.
Better yet, the adspend was an additional cost to the client, so my revenue was a LOT closer to my net profit.
All I had to pay for were a few tools, which James and Jason are upfront about, and I have seen their NEW tool they are offering their students which helps save them money on tools. (saved me about $200 a month)
That is why they created it, so their students can run their business with the least amount of expenses. Best part. You don't need ANY tools until you have a paying client.
Another huge bonus about the way they run their business. Low expenses, and no expenses needed until their students already have a paying client, which is quite the opposite with JK.
Below is a screenshot from right around the time I joined LMV. I show this, because it was only a few weeks before I started making money.
I landed this client while playing poker back in May 2016 and I got to talking with an Electrician, who was sitting right next to me.
If you remember, I had a hard time getting clients when I was following the JK method.
What I had learned in LMV gave me MUCH MORE confidence to actually have a conversation with business owners.
That knowledge allowed for personal interactions, when they fell into my lap. (3) For me, the LMV model is easy to explain to businesses without having to get a business to understand how algorithms work. (SEO)
Above all else, I like that the LMV program is willing to teach you everything from the ground up so you don’t have to guess along the way. (as mentioned above referring to their foundation training)
Now I have a house, a savings account, and living the life I want to live.
It started with this electrician – this was the first client I landed in LMV and just used one of the 37 done for you funnels they have for their students.
These are all tested, and outside of a possible tweak, these are good to go right from the start.
This is what sparked my renewed interest in working from home.
I didn’t have to do a 9-5 to pay for my passion.
I paid off my training in two months. That’s how easily I could acquire clients.
Not two years, like with JK.
No thousands of dollars sunk into a single site before it worked.
No frustrating calls and having to re-do sites, because a client won’t deal with you in a particular area.
What James and Jason teach in this program is valuable, helping businesses generate more business, all in a genuine way that doesn’t make anyone think you’re trying to scam them or screw them over.
Here is the last month of my YEAR ONE with LMV: (again, I show 2016 strictly so you know how fast this method worked for me)
PayPal Account 1 – $4,634.00
Chase Account – $6,980.80
PayPal Account 2 – $3,348.00
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1. Allan Smith, Doctor, Lawyer, or Contractor? Try These Lead Gen Websites to Boost Your Bottom Line, https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doctor-lawyer-or-contractor-try-these-lead-gen-websites-to-boost-your-bottom-line_b_9184570
2. Kimberly Whitler, New Study Suggests Lead Generation is a Key Growth Challenge for Most Companies, https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimberlywhitler/2020/01/04/new-study-suggests-lead-generation-is-a-key-growth-challenge-for-most-companies/?sh=8b9d85c56049
3. Melinda Emerson, Finding New Ways to Generate Sales Leads, https://boss.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/18/finding-new-ways-to-generate-sales-leads/
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94 thoughts on “Job Killing Review – The Truth”
Since you said this “(2021 Edit. I no longer run any lead generation properties)” what ARE you doing now to make money online?
Great question! I answer it here: https://ibuyireview.com/about-me
Thank you for replying so quickly. Are you saying that you used to use LMV to generate income? I’m only asking because LMV is about creating lead-generating properties but you don’t run any of them anymore?
LMV isn’t about creating lead generating properties at all. I don’t have any lead gen properties anymore. Check out the link to learn more about what that program is about.
Im raging right now. I bought the course a month ago. Haven’t made a dime…. I’m on like page 5 for my websites. My sites indexed quickly though. Luckily, I detected very early with all the upsells and have been implementing everything on my own. Good thing I’m a developer and can build websites on my own. If you can get to page 1 or page 2 I think it works. Kicking myself for not finding this review first.
But that’s the hard thing, with his strategies, you can’t get on page 1 or page 2 with local lead gen. First page for local lead gen is literally flooded with directory sites like thumbtack, home advisor. Did anyone actually Make money with just pure lead gen with no GMB? It is clear that Google only wants real businesses on MapPack not leadgens. I haven’t don’t GMB because it feels like I’m skirting the system trying to get some fake address.
My only cost is CallRail. Wondering if there is anything cheaper than that. I can see why Dan always says don’t focus killing squirrels (lowering expenses) because that’s how he makes all his money!!
I honestly feel cheated, not sure if I can make my money back. Nobody is checking page 5 of Google.
I’m starting to think you can’t be rich without screwing people over now…sigh
Sorry to hear about your experience, Steve. There are lots of less expensive options than CallRail! CallRail is yet another upsell they use.
I don’t think they own CallRail or I could be wrong. They push CallSling. I believe they own that. What are cheaper options than CallRail?
I don’t think they offer refunds either. jesus….
Yes! You’re right. CallSling is theirs. Good move with CallRail.
thank you for this review.
I am wondering though why LMV is such a better route to take than rent and rank?
I mean you mentioned in both reviews that you gave potential clients leads using Dan’s methods and had all the objections you mentioned above.
But than when. using LMV method you did the same thing, giving business leads and that worked our for you? I dont understand what the difference was?
Also, with the LMV model dont you have to keep investing money into ads to generate leads vs eventually getting organic traffic from SEO?
And with the rank and rent method you could also start by running ads to a site first go to a potential client with these leads and than land the deal without waiting for your site to rank. So you could run ads for a little while, until it ranks and than. you can stop ads vs the other model which sounds like you keep running ads.
Hello! Great questions.
Short version is that with rank and rent you need to spend a bunch of money and time to rank sites or run ads before you ever land a client. With the LMV method, you land the client first and the client then pays all your expenses plus profit. If you never find a client with rank and rent, you’re out a ton of money. Whereas with LMV, you’re not out anything and can just keep looking for a client.
You are 100% correct that the high ticket intro is only the beginning and he’s going to cross sell you on on a bunch of overpriced services you can get somewhere else for free.
And if you mess with his money (by suggesting services that don’t rip you off) he will boot you.
All roads lead to Dan… it’s really sad that people screwing other people over get rewarded for it.
I’ve been in jk for 2 years and only started to take it seriously in the last 6 months. I’ve generated leads for multimillion dollar construction jobs through jk. I tried to get commission from these jobs but so far all I’ve made is a measly $300. I def see the potential here but I think this is not something for the average joe. I have 10 year background in graphic design which I think should be mandatory to get into something like this. You also need to be confident on the phone and sharp with sales. The high ticket leads I generated were for commercial jobs but half the contractors I talked to did not have the manpower or they simply hung up on me. Once you do get a bid THEN you have to make sure you win the bid. This is shit the average sheep isn’t prepared IMO for. I write my own copy and I do my own graphics and I think the sites that Dan teaches you how to make look like shit. People with zero creativity get into this and then bitch after their first site is up that they aren’t make 10s of millions. Well yeah because your site looks like shit and someone like me is going to come along and wipe you out. I’m still only 6 months into this and I have 2 clients so I can’t say this early say much more but this is just what I’ve observed. It is nice to be able to get real opinions on this outside of the fb group. It’s like well yeah I appreciate seeing the failures as much as the success
This course is crap! Dan is a cult leader and if you go against his rules in the group and try to suggest something other than what he tries to up sell new students in the group he will kick you out. Dan takes advantage of the new students and people for about a year+ until they start figuring out the inside secrets of how the business model really works. Since you paid such a high ticket you take it more serious and are then more willing to spend even more money to make it work. You have to subscribe to not only Callsling, his own call tracking software which is marked up 100%. It cost $10 per number. If you have 20 sites, that is $200 a month! I found another site where it was .44 cents a number and better service with callscaler! He also up-sells you with additional trainings in the course. Another service is his DONE4U services which he sells Lead generation websites to people on Weebly and WordPress. He charges $300 per site for this, when all they do is hire a virtual assistant from the Philippines to write crap content that doesn’t even make any sense and then copy a template with Beaver Builder on WordPress or copy the template on Weebly and you can literally have a site up in 15 minutes. Dan then also has subscriptions with Backlinks that are extremely marked up. Averaging around $100-$300+ a month for a couple high DA backlinks. That it nuts! You can also buy citations from within Jobkilling.com. These are marked up another 100% to about $200 for 100 citations. I bought some on Fivver for $25 with 100. Dan will also hype up his Vegas events and charge anywhere from $5,500 to $12,000 for his live trainings where the experts are talking about their success. It’s all emotional hype that takes advantage of you. It’s nearly damn impossible to try and get this business model to work. Good luck trying to get a Google my business anymore with all the new updates changing all the time. If you do, then you can count on it getting suspended and losing that client unless you got another one for a backup plan. The business model sucks! You are not helping businesses by giving them leads. You are dominating the competition and stealing the leads and selling them to them. If you try and go against Dan’s tribalism cult mentality and even slightly suggest that you are a threat to his sources of income then get the eff out because he won’t have any opposing opinions to help people out in this group if it treads on his opportunity to take advantage of his students and get all the money from them as he can. This is for sure his biggest source of revenue. Those who can’t do teach. Is he really that successful and have all these lead generation websites? NO! He probably hasn’t prospected in years! He’s taking advantage of people’s hopes and dreams to become rich and it’s perfect because SEO takes time and he can drain them with hope for years and years, even if you’ve been in the program for several years and spent 10’s of thousands of dollars on building sites, in addition to the course, as well as even more for the events. Please stay away from this course and save your money and spread the word that this course is a HUGE WASTE OF TIME! DO NOT DO IT! I am one of the hardest workers, who went in 110% with all my time and energy and even sacrificed relationships because of it. I’m telling you. THIS BUSINESS MODEL DOES NOT WORK and Dan Klein is NOT a good mentor. He’s someone who can’t be trusted and you should find another way to make money. Lead generation and SEO are valuable, but this model is garbage and it takes advantage of people and is a complete scam.
Wow! I can’t say that I disagree with anything you’ve said. On top of that, we know that a lot of the top players – Dan’s (former) inner circle – have been leaving the group (or kicked out) due to disagreements with how he takes advantage of people who join his group. People basically pay a crazy amount of money to join his group, then constantly get pitched to buy more things from Dan. He actually brags about how much money he makes from every livestream he does.
Consider this… If you’re successful with the model he pitched, you don’t need to buy his pitches anymore. So he’s only taking more money from people who are struggling with the model he pitches.
Very well reviewed, exactly the info I have been looking for! Deep and detailed! Thanks!
thanks for posting this legit and thoughtful review
Great article. I liked your JK review. thank you so much.
Reviewer’s long experience with Job Killing has helped him to perform a thorough analysis of the program. This in turn helps the readers in clearing their doubts about the program. Payment proofs were really helpful.
I reckon this is the most detailed, well explained and unbiased review on JK and no doubt the valid point from the author really cleared my confusion about Job Killing and now I can decided whether to put my efforts with them or not. Really appreciate this genuine review.
Wow, thanks Nicholas! I appreciate that.
Big thanks to Elliot for providing this valuable information about this course – from the inside.
I’ll keep looking for the right course to help me generate passive income.
The right one is out there, Adam!
wow . I just love how to storytimed and make us inspired by by your story . From your downfall to being successful , many people are struggling right ow and I hope they get to see this to get inspired . Thankyou for sharing this!
Thanks, Clau! It’s been a journey that’s for sure!
this is the best jk review i have ever experienced. its honest and reliable and it was a great read.
its very rare to find such an honest perspective on the subject. i admire your sincerity and your creativity with the model. great job
9 to 5 jobs are killing the people seriously we are unable to concentrate on our daily life..
That was a really heartfelt post. I can totally empathize with the emotions presented. I thought that I was the only person on the planet that had the ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Haha snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Sometimes things go our way, sometimes even when things go our way we still mess it up! JK is a course that requires everything to go your way, plus for you to keep driving things your way! There are many better ways to generate income online.
amazing explanation. I´ve learned a lot
Just started with JK a few weeks ago, killer training and tutorials, learning a shit-ton of actionable stuff. Kinda wish I’d stumbled onto your training tho, cuz the JK ‘tuition’ has set me back a bit and now playing catch-up. I’ll get there but a huge initial hurdle to be sure.
How is it it going with JK. Would love to pick your brain.
Hey Derreck! Yeah I’m not active in JK much anymore. The high up front costs and quick turnover of clients for lead gen properties led me away from that and toward other opportunities.
Thanks for all the great info! I understand that they have now changed their name, but Dan still has his course. Do you think this is still an excellent business model going into 2019? It seems like this course has been around for awhile so I thought I’d ask!
Hi Brady! Nah, I can’t really recommend it at this point. The costs are very high and the clients generally don’t stick around for long.
Thst damn trolls pusts and reviews are the reason why I assumed JK was shutdown and then I ended up quiting
I messed up 🙁
Not shut down, but you’re probably better off for quitting.
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Yeah, I agree. Not exactly a hot take but something that a lot of people agree with.
I just learned today, March 3, 2018, that the fee for the JK program is just under $6,000. ($5,860). It used to be 10K. Payment amounts seem to be negotiable once you’re on the phone with them. They want you in and they want to work with your budget, but they DO expect you to be serious about it and ready to “embrace the grind” (do the work) as Dan says!!
I’ve been watching all your videos about this, Elliot, and the testimonials are what really convince me that it is for real. It just makes sense that business owners are too busy to learn this stuff themselves and will gladly pay someone to rank them in Google and bring them more leads!
James, do you know if Brad Campbell is still part of JK? He is a great guy and I enjoyed his videos and training so much! Can’t find anything from him these days. Maybe I just don’t know where to look.
They raised the price to over $15k and Brad isn’t still involved unfortunately.
no. it’s still $5860
Hasn’t been that price for years. Not sure when you talked to them
Thanks for the info!
Im still in the JK group but my question to you Elliot is What made you go from SEO to ecommerce and then back to SEO? (most people I have seen don’t leave the ecommerce game for SEO)
Not sustainable…I do SEO and Paid Traffic for Local Businesses…till the day I go…
“Since this coaching has gotten so much praise around the community as well as all over the country it is common to have internet Trolls trying to capture their “review” traffic to siphon them off to another opportunity.”
OK, I hear you. But aren’t you doing the exact same thing? Posting reviews of other online money making opportunities and siphoning the traffic to another opportunity? Does that make you a troll as well? I am not calling you a troll by any means, I’m just asking. How is what you’re doing different than this troll you speak of?
No, because I have bought and gone through almost every single review post I do, or at the very least interviewed someone in the company. Trolls post negative reviews without actually seeing the product. In addition, like this guy, he is not only posting a negative review, he is personally going after their families. So, no I am not doing the same thing. He is a convict, a felon and owes $800,000 in a lawsuit from another company he slandered. Not the same thing….
I just went to jobkilling.com website and it’s out of Business i guess this Blog is old
Hi Dave. No it’s still alive and well adding new people everyday. They had a Troll that was jealous and obsessed with them so they decided to switch it up…can’t tell ya more since you might be him. haha
What are your thoughts on the shutting down of JobKilling and RentSimpleWebsites?
Very Simple. A troll has reeked havoc on their “name” in order to sell his own garbage. Plus he has made up lies in order to “scare” people so they join him. There is nothing wrong with having opinions, but this guy literally is lying about their business and then finding other students and going after their name. So, the guys thought it was unfair that students were being “bullied” by this idiot so they have removed their name. The course, and everything is still the same under other names.
Hey, I appreciate this video, I just recently got into Job Killing and was feeling a little overwhelmed with everything I’ve been learning and doing. This video made me realize to just go back and follow the training, and stop trying to do things my way. Thanks James, back to the drawing board.
NP gotta make sure the horse is in front of the carriage. Don’t go fast in the beginning, just do everything they teach step by step. Be prepared to spend some money up front though
First off, i’d like to thank you for pointing me to Job Killing. I look forward to seeing where this takes me.
I have a call tomorrow and I would like to prepare myself as best I can for it.
I have tried to explain the process of Job Killing to some family members and help them understand why I would like to go down this path however they have presented a few questions that I have not as yet been able to find the answers to.
I would like to know how much it costs to join the program and be coached in the lead generating business and how my success would benefit Job Killing as a business. I am trying to figure out how and why this works. Why are the key workers of Job Killing willing to share this knowledge and business with us? What does it do for them?
Knowing this will really bring ease to my family and myself with explaining the business process. Thanks!!
Very interested in this business model and I’d like to get started ASAP. However I had a concern as far as time obligation. I own an online business myself-I know legitimate money generating business takes time and effort. But honestly, how many hours per week do you dedicate to make this successful? I’m currently active duty Army, so I don’t necessarily have gobs of free time, but I’m willing to make sacrifices where necessary to make this business a success. Thanks in advance for your input! Take care!
I spend part time hours on this business and built a full time income. I also think you can gain a lot more knowledge about what we do by scheduling a call.
Talk about local… I went to Wayne Hills….. we gotta talk…… small world!!!!
HAHA Hey Man! I accepted your request on FB. Hit me up!
Great Post Elliot! I def have read soo much on JK, and getting close to pulling the plug. I saw your youtube video and left a comment there, but also will leave it here for other people to read. Think you got couple minutes to respond?
1) I am considering joining job killing but more for supplemental income. Is it possible to do job killing while working the 9-5 ? I can def. do phone calls while at work (by walking away from my desk). I want to be able to make enough money from job killing to pay my monthly expenses ($2000 a month). Would this be attainable? I can devote 10-20 hours a week outside the 9-5 and probably around 2-3 hours a week between 9-5.
2) You think job killing is still attainable even now ? I know it’s been out for a few years. If so, what do you thikn of NYC or should I focus on the suburbs ?
Thanks for your commemt and yes posting here will help others.
1. I worked JK for years while having a job. That is the point since 100% of the 2,900 people who are active members have/had a job while doing this part time.
2. JK is 1,000% attainable and sustainable as long as you have the money to build and rank sites and the patience to find local business owners to pay you… over and over again.
Good Luck Avi!
Appreciate the feedback. I have a bunch of things going on this week, but I will be scheduling that call as soon as I get back next week!
Yeah I was thinking to stay in the Long Island / New Jersey / Upstate area. NYC I feel would be ultra-competitive. But then again even if you make it on page 2 of google, you could get same amount of leads as someone on page 1 in Long island.
Hiii! I’ve been looking at JK reviews and information online for about 4 days already and I am very interested. I work full time and go to college and have a lot of bills to pay so I don’t have much money left by the end of the month. I’m scared I’ll get involved and fail. I’m a very shy person and I feel that if I start in Job Killing, most businesses won’t take me serious as a 22 year old. I’m afraid to make changes and not be fit for JK. Can you please give me an idea of how you started, starting with the first phone call you received and what they explained to you… How does the whole coaching work? By phone, online, in person? About how long does the average starter begin to make their first deal? Do you start getting trained immediately after you schedule the call to join JK? Sorry for all the questions! I’m just trying to get as much information before I make the final decision. Money is the number one reason for hesitating on joining because I don’t want to risk it and be left with no money. Even $600 a month is a lot for me but I’d love to start saving and hopefully be involved. Also, will I get help getting my first deal? Please answer all my questions!!! Thank you so much in advance and sorry again for all the questions.
Hi there, I appreciate the info youve provided. I am waiting for a call from JK and im actually looking around right now trying to find out how much they are going to ask me for before i spend time with them on the phone. im not a tire kicker i just have curiosity. thanks
It’s costs money, nothing crazy, but they have payment plans. IDK the exact man…but figure few thousand I’d say unless you take the payment plan. Then monthly is obviously less expensive. But also factor in all the costs to build and rank the websites before you land a paying client
What are you offering??
I don’t think Ralph was saying it was a scam. Looks like he was just asking a very generic question. lol
Hey James. I think it’s safe to assume you are being paid to promote Job Killing, which is totally fine! I really do like hearing about positive experiences with them, but I have a question about why their class / community offers a better ROI then say, me going on my own to learn SEO to rank front page and then to apply the same business model?
Just believe in promoting what actually works my man. Simple. I believe in community, and being around people with the same goals and dreams. Believe me, I have gone at this alone, and it’s damn lonely with nobody to keep you accountable. Lastly, not sure where else you can go to learn these skills. I guess you could google, how to rank #1 on google, but you know just as much as I do, whatever you find will be pushing you in a million directions. That is why you need a step by step course with a community to help you when you get stuck. To me, the ROI is unmeasurable.
Great post. I want to jump in. Thinking rehab is a good one to be in right now and clean up on. I have spent a year in this type of system and built up a full time income in the pool construction niche. I want to take this to the 50/100k per month mark and it seems JK have some hidden secrets that i fear not paying to learn will cost me dearly. I had a call a year ago and was on the fence as you can understand with these ‘coaching programmes’ But i want to get in 100% now. Any ideas rough ball park on monthly fees? Thanks again.
Sorry was traveling so had crazy bad internet while in Eastern Europe. haha Anyway, no monthlys if you pay in full. Not 100% sure the exact price to be honest. Schedule a call HERE if you already haven’t and talk to them. They great guys. It’s def not cheap though. However, expensive to one might not be expensive to another.
Curious about Jobkiller,
So this is just basic math? If I understand this I capture leads for a business, I offer these leads to company A and if the guy in company A tells me to get lost I then offer the leads to the next company until they go with the idea?
How is my capture page not in direct competition with the company? Do you get what I mean? So my capture page would be super generic or super specific or what?
So you have a master list that says ‘The average lead for business X is such and such a number but the average lead for a different business Y is such and such a different number?
How do you know it’s not like GlennGary GlennRoss where all of the leads are bogus?
Good question. I choose businesses not on the first 3-5 pages of google so I know they need my help. I then filter my leads over to them for free for a week and let them wet their beak a little and that is how they know I’m for real. Closing them after that is just as easy as a conversation. Not many people would say no to an already proven result. That is more leads/more business/more money. Hope this helps! You can apply here if you still interested.
I’ve already “verified” my request for an email from you at least 10 times in a row. Just send me the info, please.
The information was on the next page after you opted in. Not sure what else you are waiting for?
i’m going to have to call BULLSHIT on this one. Not MLM my assets!
Marco, can you clarify?
As a heads up, I have nothing to do with JB or James. Just noticed how you came across so abruptly… and incorrectly for that matter. JB has nothing to do with MLM. Either you have understood it incorrectly, understood MLM incorrctly, or both. Either way, your approach needs to be worked on brother. Say it nicely.
Thank you for the post. Out of curiosity, why would you lose all of your business by leaving the group? Are they the keepers of your clients and sites?
Why can’t you take the knowledge you’ve learned and apply it for yourself? If it’s so easy..
Also, it seems a little odd that you wouldn’t know how much the program costs since you were in it.
Sorry if I come off as being rude, but I came here to be less skeptical and I’m still just as skeptical.
I don’t feel like I learned anything more than I have from the other affiliates other than you got kicked out and are still promoting them the same way.
I understand you probably don’t want this on your site, but if you could email me with an honest answer it would go a long ways.
Thank you for your time and again, sorry for being so blunt. I can’t help it!
I am transparent on my site, so this comment is fine. I built my own course, spent so much time with that, I didn’t have time for my clients. Hence, lost them because of not putting enough time and effort into them. I don’t know how much the program is because I was in 2 years ago. The price is way higher now that so many people have had so much success. Demand for them is high, so simple law of supply and demand. Not promoting them in a monetary way. Promoting them to people who are looking for them…it’s different.
He had a long webinar with the dan Klien and his parishioners the “JKers” as Local Marketing Vault after 7,000 was paid to dan, everyone was getting pitched LMV for 5,000. Plus dan had many upsells every Livestream was selling, selling, selling…you learned how to do a Weebly site, nothing sexy just quick, with copy and pasted content from a .com.au “so Google would not see it as quick. Learned some SEO Keywords in the meta description, titles, and content, just not too many times.
Learned how to find the low hanging fruit, helped in picking the niche and if you could rank quickly.
Pick a business, get a tracking number forward that tracking number to that business. record it…have whisper…
by the way, do this without permission (don’t have to sell) once the company gets a couple calls, you send him a video, or call him and asked if he liked the extra business (most where SEO guys or solicitors just simply calling on a new site) the attempt to rent the site out to the company for 3oo 2500 whatever you can get basically.
once you fall behind on payments and you’re in over your head you can sell the websites you built…to the newcomers…and promote job killing to new recruits to pay the debt.
terms of services taught….lic issues were taught…even did a live stream with Corpnet (i used them) so we all would know how to set up a business.
there was nothing special about the program, nothing you cant get for free on youtube. I don’t think he ever really lied though, don’t think he was lazy, I do believe he made a shit load of money. and he is a hell of a salesman.
He sold The American Dream, he knew how to talk to the”hope which is in all of us.
Prosperous Future, success, even a Hero to your family; you felt it before it happened. “you can do it if you put your mind and heart in it” and you believed it!
Is that a bad thing…? Perhaps some were able to Push forward and obtain their financial dreams by simply having someone that believed in them and motivated them. perhaps 7,000.00 was enough skin in the game, where the decision and “self Bond” was made to succeed.
For that person, was the investment worth it? Perhaps they got there to return.
Just a thought…there are motivation speakers that get paid a shit load more than 7 grand just to simply make a person feel that same way.
then the other guy… maybe they felt manipulated, robbed, and cheated. I will say this dan told, Dan asked..you gave it to him. that is not theft or robbery you was not even cheated. you agreed to pay him for a service,
I went through the pitch online, I filled out the form, I then booked a call, I then agreed to the call, He told me the price, I agreed to the price, I buried my head in every word said and wrote.
I did not know I could get most of this for free elsewhere or even cheaper,
It is what it is….if you paid the money, then learn everything you possibly can and put it into action ” just like you wanted today one” Hold your head up high, be proud and work with Integrity” I mean shit man that is all you can do….and that is all you can control…holding on to what may or may not have happened…that’s only effects you and the consequence will be paid by you and your family. not Dan’s. (he already got paid)
So yeah…be proud, you had a dream, you took a shot…and who say’s the bullet has even reached the target? It’s still your choice…
There is my unbiased review of Dan Klien, Simon Smith and whoever…
Although I would like to know where the fuck you went. “I was not done”
James check your email, as I have tried to reach you…
I will tell you my name after I speak with this gentleman.
Ohh by the way if anyone want’s to spend 11 or 12 grand…I am in dire need of spending mine…hit me up all give you the scoop for let’s say 2500 cool?
I’m sorry to hear that happened to you. I’d like to ensure it doesn’t happen to others!
hey I liked your JK review,
Local lead gen is my fav Will JK work for a local Hockey coach?
He’s my client and is paying 300/mo
Of course. It works for everyone.
Great article and very unbiased. Appreciate the candidness. So it appears it is pretty expensive and they accept monthly payments, but could you possibly give me an idea on how much this program is? I don’t want to schedule a call and want to join without around how much I need. Thanks!
Thank you so much. I really don’t know the cost. I think they have payments that run about $600 a month or so. Seems like a lot but to be honest, what they teach is worth every penny if you are an action taker. Cool think is while playing poker, I made $1,500 and $697 a month for services based on what I learned in JK. (just through meeting people) Good knowledge to have…
I could manage that.. thank you very much!
Don’t quote me on that, but all you can do is schedule a call and usually they will help you out if you have a monthly budget. Tell em I said hi. lol
Wow! James! That was a heartfelt post. I can totally empathize with the emotions presented. I thought that I was the only person on the planet that had the ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I’ve lost nearly everything that has taken decades to build. No one to blame except for myself. It’s a horrible feeling. But our focus in life can’t be in the past. Hope doesn’t reside in the past or even the present. It only resides in the future.
After a period of morning, I know it’s time to move on. So I’ve been looking for some type of small business to start. I saw the pitch for Job Killers, but I’m hesitant. There are so many scams. I’ve fallen for quite a few over the decades, and I’m not eager to repeat the process at this stage of my life.
I’d almost made up my mind not to follow up with this plan, but your posting is giving me a pause for thought.
I want to close by complimenting you. Do you know how rare it is nowadays to find someone who will admit they made a mistake in life? Or to find someone willing to expose a vulnerability? I’m not saying that I admire people who are masochistic; I’m saying I admire people who are intellectually honest and willing to share those thoughts with others. Well done, sir…..
Erv – appreciate the comment. Life is about learning, and I learn everyday. JK is not a Scam at all, and being I get no “reward” to say that, I hope you make a move knowing that. (either way) The worst you can do is fall victim to indecision. No matter the path, take one, where it leads you is the fun part. 😉
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